What would you pay for HBO online? Amazon might soon be award-winning TV, YouTube stops waiting for Apple TV.
Will ESPN’s choke hold kill online viewing or itself? Plus our holiday gift picks!
CordKillers: Ep. 47 – The Sports is a Lie
Recorded: December 1, 2014
- ESPN’s Long-Term TV Sports Rights Deals Chart
- -Chart from MoffettNathanson analyst Michael Nathanson
– ESPN Sports rights plotted out to 2024.
– ESPN will pay $3.8 billion for those games this year, and $5.1 billion by 2017
– $6 per subscriber paid to ESPN expected to hit $8 by 2018 (SNL Kagan)
– Dish has ESPN on its web service, Sony does not yet.
-Q: Can an online-only service make it without sports?
-Q: Can ESPN continue to afford to pay for games when non-sports fans have more of a choice?
- More Than 70 Percent of Netflix Viewers Watch Original Shows
- -Poll from Centris Marketing Science
– More Netflix viewers (72 percent) say they watched the service’s original programming Q3 compared to Q1 (57 percent).
– The younger the viewer the more likely to have watched original programming
Q: Are we starting to think of Netflix as HBO more so than as an all you can eat TV catch up service?
- Slingbox now suggests YouTube videos based on what you’re watching
- Slingbox 500 and Sling TV can now overlay suggested YouTube videos based on whatever you’re watching
– Also an app for YouTube
– Sling browser extension 32-bit and Chrome for Mac now 64-bit.
- DVD quality rips of Fury, Annie, Mr. Turner and Still Alice hit torrent websites shortly after an attack on Sony Pictures Entertainment.
- -Only Fury is even in theaters yet. According to Torrent Freak Fury is the second most popular downloaded film on The Pirate Bay currently. (Behind The Maze Runner)
- Comedy Central’s mobile app has added support for ChromeCast
- -Along with Sesame Street Go, Nickelodeon, TuneIn, Encore Play, EPIX, and YuppTV.
- Netflix announced that the third season of its best-known streaming TV series will be available on February 27th, 2015.
- Brian: Animaniacs (playing with my fire stick), The Walking Dead, Macy’s Day parade (OTA), RedLetterMedia breakdown of Star Wars trailer, awesome fan re-cut of Jurassic park trailer
- Tom: Big Hero 6, The Shield (314, 315), The Walking Dead, Once Upon a Time, Lord of the Rings: The Fellowship of the Ring, Star Trek: The Next Generation, The Flash, Haven, Macy’s Day Parade.
2014 Winter Movie Draft
- Scott: $314,255,040
- Tom: $225,680,904
- Brian: $72,237,610
- Brett: $58,210,090
- Justin: $38,686,869
- John: $14,857,390
Dispatches from the Front
To: All employees of Cordkillers, LLC
From: Manager Joe
To whom it may concern:
On episode 46 of your show, entittled “Cultural CliffsNotes,” feedback was discussed which divulged details of the film Interstellar. The subject matter involved age variance between characters played by the American actors Matthew McConaughey and Anne Hathaway.
In the future, please ensure that divulgences of protected information be limited to the “It’s Spoilerin’ Time” portions of the broadcast.
I trust this is the final mention of this topic.
Hey Brian and Tom
Anecdotally I might have an answer for why Amazon streaming is becoming more popular. Recently I debated with my wife for us to switch from Netflix to Amazon. We have no reason for two streaming services and since they are approximately the same cost per month, I thought this would be an easy switch. My pitch was to switch to Amazon because of free shipping and music, but she insisted we stay on Netflix because of the exclusives. Amazon’s rise in popularity could be linked to people like me who want to watch streaming occasionally, but don’t want to pay for two services. If I have to choose one, Amazon wins because of all the perks (free shipping, kindle library, music, etc.).
Just a thought, thanks!
Brian and Tom!
If you have not yet seen Gortimer Gibbons Life on Normal Street on Amazon Prime, you are missing out! This is a smart, sweet, funny kids show and an Amazon original. It is not the flashy, over the top, laugh track shows from Disney Channel, which is a refreshing change of pace.
So great to see smart kids content coming from these online providers.
I’ve noticed it on the podcast every now and then, but Hulu+ gets downplayed a lot on the show. I’m confused as to why. I think by implying it’s not a good service is actually a disservice to potential cordcutters who want to drop their cable/satellite TV services.
Hulu+ is the only streaming service that allows people to watch the latest episodes in about 6-12 hours from when they first air. These are shows from NBC, CW, ABC, FOX, and even from some cable networks like Comedy Central or Nickelodeon, also new Anime from Japan.
Their back catalog of TV shows isn’t anything to ignore either, with stuff from CBS, FX, etc… International programming from the UK, Korea, and Mexico, also can’t be discounted. Then there’s the movie catalog, with several that aren’t even available on Netflix.
Hulu+ with a Chromecast/Roku (and maybe including CBS all access) is simply the most affordable and most convenient method to watch time-shifted programming on a TV, that is “Grandparents Friendly.” I know that everyone I know who cut the cord rely on Hulu+ more than Netflix or Amazon, for their current TV fix.
So why the hate on Hulu+?
Still a fan though ;-P
Another great show. Really liked Dana Brunetti insights as well, although I completely disagree with his assessment that viewing numbers don’t matter in your discussion of Nielsen and Netflix. Dana is right that Netflix does not have to release that info and all that matters to Netflix is how well they feel a show is doing since they are the ones who ultimately benefit or don’t, plus they have already paid for the content so no is left empty handed. But as the OTT business gets more competitive and the Netflix’s of the world continue to produce, buy and sell content around the world these viewing numbers will generate a perceived value (as Tom said), which in some case will work for and against Netflix, Amazon and others. Although it is a brave new world, let’s not forget – the more things change, the more things stay the same (making money).
Thanks again. Your show continues to get better all the time.
As someone who works in TV for a living I was surprised to hear you guys dismiss Nielsen numbers for Netflix. I was literally yelling at my phone watching until Tom brought up Amazon using the numbers. I calmed down and thought okay here we go, Tom is getting to my point but then got mad because Dana dismissed them and you guys let it go. Now I can see Dana dismissing them as a producer who has a deal with Netflix because he is getting paid but anyone not working for Netflix or “House of Cards” should care. Amazon will almost certainly care about them. HBO will care about them. As a broadcaster I can say the broadcast networks will also care. If any of the networks companies I mentioned see a show is getting higher numbers on Netflix then some of their shows, they will either…
A, consider bidding on the show.
B, consider making a show similar in nature.
C, drop a show similar in nature that is getting less viewers.
Please explain how youtube channels work like I’m five. I’ve been using Youtube since the beginning of time and for the life of me I have no clue how find channels/subscribe, etc. For me its to confusing. Help me out or you’re Fired!
Keep up the good work, bonuses are in the mail. You guys like one year memberships to the Jelly of the month club don’t you?
Hi Tom& Brian
I have a question for you. I buy most of my movies digitally now, but the problem is they are scattered all across Google Play, Amazon, VUDU and iTunes. Is there any tool or software to maintain all this so that when I want to see something I can find out if I own it and if so where. I actually bought a movie on two different services because I forgot I owned it on the other one.
Thanks for your help guys!!!
This is your boss, and in your end of year appraisal I call BS on your “how many names can you remember” test as a measure of viewing enjoyment.
I had to listen to you regularly forget every single name in Transparent, yet it was one of your favourite shows of the year. You only had to remember a Moppa and 3 kids!
James in the UK
Hey Brian and Tom.
I wanted to add some things you missed about the story about korra coming back to television.
1st it will be on nicktoons not nick proper most kids wont search out for a channel that is buried in deep cable or might be in a different package all together. (also they did this for book three already)
2nd as far as I am aware the creative team behind korra is the same and I think one of the reasons the show might have gotten pulled is it got dark for being on a kids network. if it was on teennick it would have been fine but maybe not on a network that also plays spongebob.
just my thoughts,
I’m happy to report that as a Canadian our VPN settings stopped working and we didn’t even notice we were using Canadian Netflix for over a month. Now that our VPN service has been restored, we’ve actually switched back to finish watching certain shows you guys don’t have.
Anyway, I’d like to issue a challenge to all cord killers North of the Wall: switch off the VPN, if it’s not 100x better than the last time you were on Canadian Netflix, I owe you a double double.
Dana Brunetti joins us and talks about his cord-cutting experience and whether Nielsen rating Netflix and Amazon is a good idea.
CordKillers: Ep. 46 – Cultural CliffsNotes
Recorded: November 24, 2014
Guest: Dana Brunetti
- Watching shows online is more common now, Flurry says, but TV’s hardly dead yet
- -Flurry does analytics on mobile apps
– US citizens spend more than 10 minutes more a day on mobile devices than watching TV
– 2 hours 48 minutes on TV: 2 hours 57 minutes using mobile
– Combines Flurry analytics with ComScore and US Bureau of Labor Statistics on TV usage.
– Nielsen numbers report a much larger number for time spent on TV: 4 hours 36 mins. a day
– Survey in UK in April by Ofcom what device you would miss most. Older respondents chose TV. 16-34 chose smartphone.
- Nielsen will finally start tracking Netflix and Amazon video
- Nielsen to Measure Netflix Viewing
- – WSJ says Nielsen will begin tracking non-mobile viewers of subscription online video services like Amazon and Netflix
– Scans audio of the programs to identify shows.
– Important for content producers when striking deals with the services.
– TV viewership down 7% yoy in October 18-49
– 40% of households subscribe to streaming video service.
– Subscribers watch around 20% less TV
- Plex gets parental controls, enhanced multiuser support
- Introducing Plex Home
- – Home – allows profiles/parental controls- Profiles protected with PINs
– Fast user switching
– More fine-grained controls (individual photos w/ parents certain albums with freinds, etc.)
– All Home members get access to PlexPass apps (like Roku)
– Multiuser now available without PlexPass
- New York Post, says Amazon will come out with a free ad-supported version of their streaming video service.
- -WSJ reported the same thing in March but Amazon denied it.
- A Star Wars trailer will play before all movies at 30 cinemas in the US starting this Friday.
- Aereo filed for Chapter 11 bankruptcy on Thursday.
- -Its post-bankruptcy plan will need to be approved by a judge and its creditors. Because of copyright lawsuits, the big broadcasters in the US are among the listed creditors.
- Microsoft confirmed Thursday that the HBO Go app is now on Xbox One.
- -It was supposed to come at launch a year ago. Still not on PS4.
- Sandvine published their latest bandwidth usage numbers for US.
- -Netflix still dominates with 34.89% of download in primetime. YouTube has 14%. But Amazon Video has jumped to 2.58% from 1.61 a year ago Hulu still at 1.41%
- Netflix is experimenting with mobile-specific content. Bite-sized cutdowns of TV shows to 5 minutes.
- -Also Custom-tailored graphics that show different movie art for different users..
- Tina Fey’s new show ‘Unbreakable Kimmy Schmidt’ starring Ellie Kemper moves from NBC to Netflix.
- -Its first 13-episode season will appear across all Netflix territories in March and Netflix has signed up for a second season. Hulu also announced it picked up Amy Poehler’s “Difficult People.”
- Netflix also will pick up season 4 of A&E’s Longmire.
- -Season 4 will have ten episodes coming to Netflix sometime in 2015 in the US, Canada, Australia and New Zealand. It was A&E’s highest rated scripted series but the audience was much older than A&E’s other shows.
- Legend of Korra coming back to Nick.
- -Starting this Friday, November 28th, Book 4 of The Legend of Korra will begin to air on Fridays at 9 PM on Nicktoons
- Rachel McAdams and Taylor Kitsch joining the cast of ‘True Detective’ alongside Vince Vaughan and Colin Farrell
- Brian: High Maintenance, Hunger Games Mockingjay part 1
- Tom: Star Wars Rebels, The Unknown Known, Agents of SHIELD, Arrow, The Flash, American Horror Story (101), The Shield (313), The Walking Dead, Hunger Games: Mockingjay Part 1, High Maintenance
2014 Winter Movie Draft
- Scott: $256,679,469
- Tom: $121,897,634
- Brian: $57,729,445
- Justin: $29,983,069
- John: $10,950,001
- Brett: $0
Dispatches from the Front
When you covered the new CBSNews online initiative, I immediately installed the Roku app.
Content is very traditional TV, but the presentation is pretty painless.
Gives me a quick way to make sure I didn’t miss any stories the masses are talking about.
There are a couple of small flaws:
Ads are often much louder than the content
Ad repeat often (Not too surprising since it’s new ad inventory for them to sell.)
But I deleted my app this morning. [STORY ABOUT HOW HIS ROKU GOT STUCK PLAYING 5 ADS IN A ROW AND HE HAD TO REBOOT]
I’m a big supporter of ad-supported free media. It drives me crazy when publishers do it so wrong.
I fear they will count this experiment in online as a failure – not realizing it’s the experience, not the format that failed.
Hey Tom and Brian, Love the Show(tm). Just wanted to let your audience know that the MPAA’s new wheretowatch.com website doesn’t discriminate between online and offline content. I got super-excited when I searched for “CHiPs” (don’t judge me) and saw it was available on Netflix. Well, my joy was quickly dashed when I went to Netflix and saw that it was available only on DVD. So while the MPAA is taking a step in the right direction, so far this site isn’t a replacement for canistream.it.
Keep up the great work,
According to wheretowatch.com there are no legit places to watch House of Cards Season 2. No legit places to watch Game of Thrones Season 5.
I know this is still officially in “beta” but I’m not going to take the effort to come back and check every month until they get this right. This brand is ruined for me.
While the same actor who plays Spike in Buffy also plays Braniac in Smallville, that actor is James Marsters, not James Marsden. Love the show, but without careful attention to those last names starting with M, I could be confused with Tom.
In regards to Spoilering Time for Interstellar, Anne Hathaway and Matthew McConaughey are roughly the same age. As they are using the black hole for a gravity assisted slingshot, Hathaway exclaims “you look pretty good for 120 years old” (or something along those lines). I think we are to believe that the time dilation through the black hole is negligible which leaves Anne Hathaway and Matthew McConaughey the same age. Love the show!
Sony wins the race to first Internet TV service, MPAA does a great job helping you find things to watch, do you want 5 HDMI signals on one screen?
- Sony gets ready to launch PlayStation Vue TV service, keeps mum on price
- Sony Network Entertainment International And Sony Computer Entertainment Unveil PlayStation™Vue, A New Cloud-Based TV Service That Pioneers The Future Of Television
- – Live on demand programming around 75 channels
– Launching on PS3 and PS4 to begin, intend to bring to iPad and other devices
– NBC Universal, Fox, Viacom and Scripps, but NOT ABC/Disney or Time Warner’s HBO.
– Launch this month invite-only beta NYC (Chicago, Philly, LA to follow)
– Launch commercially Q1 2015
- WhereToWatch Helps You Find TV Shows and Movies to Stream Legally
- Where to Watch
- – MPAA launched wheretowatch.com
– Service to find where stream or purchase of movies and TV shows online or DVD/Blu-Ray
– Trailers and behind the scenes footage as well
– Amazon, iTunes, Netflix, Hulu, Crackle, Flixster, Paramount Movies, Bravo Now, CNBC Full Episodes, E! Now, Esquire TV Now, Oxygen Now, Sprout Now, Syfy Now, ABC, ABC Family, Disney Movies Anywhere, Vudu, Xbox Video, Sundance Now, SnagFilms, Fandor, Wolfe on Demand, Target Ticket, Movies On Demand, Reelhouse, IndieFlix.
- SkreensTV Combines 5 HDMI Signals on Your TV
- SkreensTV: The Ultimate Home Entertainment System
- SkreensTV set-top box
– Indiegogo needs 200K by Dec. 13 (Flexible Funding) $399
– Release to all Winter 2015 for $499
– Five separate HDMI signals presented in one image
– Also install HTML5 apps, browser
– Multiple audio can be routed to different bluetooth/WiFi devices
- More apps have added Chromecast support including Showtime Anytime and Starz Play along with several game titles like Wheel of Fortune and Just Dance Now.
- 17 companies have joining together to form the Streaming Video Alliance
- -In order to work on open architecture, defining specifications for network and cloud-based streaming and caching infrastructure; quality of experience; and interoperability. The group intends to propose specs to standards bodies not act as a standards body itself. Among the members are Charter, Comcast, Epix, Fox, MLB and Yahoo but not Netflix and YouTube.
- YouTube is launching a subscription music service called “Music Key” in beta this week.
- -The service offers access to Google Play’s music library, as well as ad-free music videos, background playback capabilities and offline caching on YouTube. for $7.99 a month at first and then $9.99 per month. To sign up for an invite, go to youtube.com/musickey YouTube has already added music videos in a new section that features personalized playlists and soon full albums.
- Google will test and approve each Android TV app before it goes live in the Play Store.
- Vimeo’s first original programming series launched.
- -A new season of previously self-funded show High Maintenance released three episodes at $1.99. Three more episodes will come in early 2015 and you can buy the whole season now for $7.99. The show is about a pot dealer in Brooklyn and the lives of his customers.
- Amazon announced 7 pilots in 2015.
- -Cocked (Sam Trammel returns to rural Virginia), Mad Dogs (US version of UK story about people in their 40s reuniting), The Man in the High Castle (Based on Philip K. Dick book about San francisco if Germany won WWII), and Point of Honor (Civil War drama prod by Carlton Cuse), half-hour shows Down Dog (Yoga studio owner breaks up with girlfirend-coowner) and Salem Rogers (Super model after 10 years in rehab), and the half-hour docu-series The New Yorker Presents.
- Netflix’s first UK original is about the Queen called The Crown will be based on a West-end Play called The Audience. 10-episode mini-season in 2016.
- J. J. Abrams and Jonathan Nolan’s Westworld pilot, an adaptation of Michael Crichton’s 1973 novel got a full-season order from HBO for next year.
- -Premiere episode directed by Jonathan Nolan. Stars Anthony Hopkins as an inventor who runs a futuristic theme park full of lifelike androids. James Marsden, Evan Rachel Wood, and Thandie Newton will portray the androids and can be killed and replaced frequently, giving everyone a chance to play multiple characters. (The cast reportedly signed multi-year deals.) Ed Harris, Miranda Otto, and Jeffrey Wright will also star in the series.
- Brian: The Walking Dead (x2), Twin Peaks, High Maintenance
- Tom: The Shield (312), Agents of SHIELD, The Walking Dead, Haven, Seeking a Friend for the End of the World, Hunger Games: Catching Fire, Arrow, The Flash, Star Wars: Rebels, Once Upon a Time, High Maintenance
- Andy: Game of Thrones (Season 2),
2014 Winter Movie Draft
- Scott: $207,234,079
- Brian: $36,111,775
- Justin: $25,910,368
- John: $6,471,161
- Tom: $0
- Brett: $0
Dispatches from the Front
That German company you mentioned that’s offering an app to chromecast Amazon Prime videos has had their app shut down. From the Primecast app page (http://primecast-app.com/): “Primecast has been shut down and is no longer available” is all it says. I guess Amazon DID care. So much for “whatever device you please.”
Holy cow Brian. Sometimes you go off arguing on the silliest of nitpicky (minor) points. The most recent one of having to go thru a one time setup process for Disney, iTunes and GooglePlay. You have to be one of the laziest employees I have. Seriously, it’s getting old. Knock it off.
Kyle in Pittsburgh
Hey guys. You are always talking about how Nielsen is behind the times, but a lot of that is contractual between Nielsen and our Clients. Often we are limited by what we can do because of the push and pull between national and local interests. Few local TV stations are interested in internet video measurement for example, because very little of their content and audience is online. The National networks how ever have their own streaming infrastructure setup.
Check out this article about how Nielsen is trying to evolve the way video ratings are done.
David The Nielsen Guy
Hey guys! I am a freshman in college and my university does not have a deal with any cable company so I had to find another way to watch some shows.
This won’t apply to the vast majority of the audience BUT my parents live in Mexico so I got them cable+internet for around $40 US. The awesome thing is that for an extra $10 a month they get “on demand online” which basically means I get to stream (because I am the one that uses it) every channel they have!. For most channels this is in Spanish (which I do speak) but this also means live events like the emmys, grammys, the world series, football on sundays and monday night, basketball games, all live and online! I know I’m cheating on cutting the cord since I am technically paying for a cable service but still I get to whatch live tv without problems online in HD. I know this seems like something a slingbox could do but this way no TV is being “used” while I watch what I want some 2000 miles away.
Love the show take care!
PS. I love Brian’s sing-along the theme song after the credits.